Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:41:55 +0600

Subject: Most popular size of unreamed nails

From: Alexander Chelnokov

Hello All,

I have to prepare an order for implants (unreamed tibial and femoral nails) so i am interested in what lengths and diameters are most widely used to request proportional numbers of implants of different sizes.

THX in advance.

Best regards,

Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Institute of Traumatology and Orthopaedics
str.Bankovsky, 7. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia


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Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 06:46:28 -0500

From: Adam Starr

Hi Alex,

Don't y'all have any reamers?

Adam Starr
Dallas, Texas


Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:49:53 +0600

From: Alexander Chelnokov

Hello Adam,

AS> Don't y'all have any reamers?

No one tibial and only very old rigid ones 10, 11 and 12 mm which were used for reaming from fracture site in open femoral nailing. Though i have used them for antegrade closed nailing to ream the isthmus.

Best regards,

Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Institute of Traumatology and Orthopaedics
str.Bankovsky, 7. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia


Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:56:21 -0400

From: Kevin Pugh

Buy fewer nails and invest in a reaming system. As Michael Douglas (as Gordon Gecko) said in "wall Street", "Reaming is good".


Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:11:59 +0600

From: Alexander Chelnokov

Hello Kevin,

Monday, October 01, 2001, 6:56:21 PM, you wrote:

KP> Buy fewer nails and invest in a reaming system. As Michael Douglas (as Gordon Gecko) said in "wall Street", "Reaming is good".

Maybe due to this he was arrested finally

Best regards,

Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Institute of Traumatology and Orthopaedics
str.Bankovsky, 7. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia


Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 07:39:35 -0700

From: John Ruth

Why unreamed? Most popular diameters of reamed tibial include 9, 10, and 12 (8 mm too small in my opinion) and femur include 10, 11 and 12 femoral. Lengths of tibial 32-38 and femur 36-42 cm. This is my experience. The smaller diameters can be used unreamed. If you are considering using locking femoral rod in pediatric femur then should also stock 9 mm diameter.


Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:38:22 +0600

From: Alexander Chelnokov

JR> Why unreamed?

Most available implants for us became "imitations" of AO's UFN and UTN made in Russia. At least the sets include conductors for proximal locking.

JR> Most popular diameters of reamed tibial include 9, 10, and 12 (8 mm too small in my opinion) and femur include 10, 11 and 12 femoral.

We used minimal reaming, the isthmus only, and used the same diameters.

JR> Lengths of tibial 32-38 and femur 36-42 cm. This is my experience.

THX! Can percentage distribution of the lengths and diameters be available somewhere? I don't want to order equal number of each size. Our first 20 cases have just been done. At the short series one 38 cm nail was used for four-five 40 cm nails, so maybe such a distribution is calculated with more representative basis?

Best regards,

Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Institute of Traumatology and Orthopaedics
str.Bankovsky, 7. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia


Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:04:22 -0500

From: Frederic B. Wilson, M.D.

Dear Alex,

Ream!

Invest in reamers with wide flutes (i.e. not Synthes) and avoid the duplication of having both reamed and unreamed nails. Most of the experience I am hearing and we have had indicates that the advantages of reaming outweigh the advantages of not reaming.

Fred Wilson
Tulane Orthopaedics


Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:14:59 +0600

From: Alexander Chelnokov

Dear Fred,

FBWMD> Ream!

Invest in reamers with wide flutes (i.e. not Synthes) and avoid the duplication of having both reamed and unreamed nails.

Available options include the UFN/UTN-like nails and self-prepared conventional solid nails drilled in a local workshop. So the choice is not difficult.

FBWMD> the advantages of reaming outweigh the advantages of not reaming.

Well, we've been yet comparing not reamed vs unreamed but closed interlocked vs open conventional, plating and external fixation. And in cases of sub-isthmal fractures i performed minimal reaming of isthmus to fit the nail by old rigid reamers.

Best regards,

Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Institute of Traumatology and Orthopaedics
str.Bankovsky, 7. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia


Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 07:27:51 -0500

From: Adam Starr

Hi Alex.

I think every surgeon who has replied to your message has recommended that you use reamed nails. That's because the experience over the past decade and a half has shown us that for most instances, reaming is better. There are a lot of reasons why.

Unless there is a HUGE cost difference for your hospital, I think buying a reamer and using reamed nails is the way to go. You could probably offset the extra cost of the reamer set by cutting down your nail inventory. 90% of the femoral nails I place are 12mm wide. I need some smaller ones on hand for small people, but the vast majority will take a 12.

Using only unreamed nails sets you at a disadvantage.

If you're coming to the OTA this year, maybe you could go shopping for a reamer set? I bet you could find a vendor who would give you a deal - in the interests of Russian-American friendship :).

Adam Starr
Dallas


Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:34:59 +0600

From: Alexander Chelnokov

Hello Adam,

AS> I think every surgeon who has replied to your message has recommended that you use reamed nails.

I realize that, and also i read some articles about the advantages of reamed nailing.

AS> Unless there is a HUGE cost difference for your hospital, I think buying a reamer and using reamed nails is the way to go.

The situation AFAIK is literally as you told - a huge cost difference.

AS> 12mm wide. I need some smaller ones on hand for small people, but the vast majority will take a 12.

Do you mean femoral?

AS> Using only unreamed nails sets you at a disadvantage.

As i told, i ream isthmus by a rigid straight reamer. For femur 11-12 mm is most useable size.

AS> If you're coming to the OTA this year

It is still too expensive for me. Though this year I already sent an abstract, maybe late - received only automatic confirmation and not aware was it accepted.

AS> maybe you could go shopping for a reamer set?

I suppose prices there must be even higher.

AS> I bet you could find a vendor who would give you a deal - in the interests of Russian-American friendship :).

Say them hi and let they visit us here - they'll have a lot of friendship ;-)

Best regards,

Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Institute of Traumatology and Orthopaedics
str.Bankovsky, 7. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia


Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:22:43 -0500

From: Adam Starr

Hi Alex.

Yes, 12mm is for femur nails. I think my most common tibial sizes are 9,10 and 11.

Let me see what I can do as far as finding out about the cost of reamer systems. Russia is what they call an "emerging market" I think. Maybe they'd look on the reamer set as an investment?

Adam


Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:47:06 +0600

From: Alexander Chelnokov

Hello Adam,

AS> Yes, 12mm is for femur nails. I think my most common tibial sizes are 9,10 and 11.

We received few UTN implants with the set for insertion - 8, 9 and 10 mm. We've never nailed any tibia before, tomorrow sheduled the first case. Like a first kiss...

AS> Let me see what I can do as far as finding out about the cost of reamer systems. Russia is what they call an "emerging market"

Some vendors already have small offices in Moscow. Mathys/Synthes is most agressive AFAIK.

Best regards,

Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Institute of Traumatology and Orthopaedics
str.Bankovsky, 7. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia


Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:36:42 +0530

From: Dr. Rajat Varma

Dear Alex,

I would like to share my experiences with you regarding interlocking nailings for we have faced & overcome the similar problem which are confronting you now.

In early ninties Interlocking nailing came to India. But the problem was the high costs of implants & instrumentations. We came up with our own designs of implants and instrumetation and now can honestly claim to have good quality implants at fraction of the costs eg A tibial or femoral nail for US $ 30 ( Yes it is thirty and not three hundred ! ). At this price range we have Recon Nail / Gamma Nail / Femoral Nail / Supracondylar Nail / Proximal Tibial Nail / Tibial Nail / Distal Tibial Nail / Humeral Nail. These all are cannulated. We also have Solid femoral & Tibial Nail which we use in compound fractures and in infected non union situations. With such long list of implants in different sizes available my stocking policy is as follows.I put 9mm nail in tibia and 11mm nail in femur as a routine. I find that the nail of this size has adequate strength for indian pateints to mobilize full weight bearing in immediated post operative period. These nails are made of 316L stainless steel and have 2.4mm wall thickness as opposed to 1.2-1.5 wall thickness of AO and other western nails. I stock 9mm tibial nails in 30/32/34/36/38mm sizes and 11mm Femoral nail in 38/40/42/44mm sizes.

Another point I want to share in nail selection is to only use a nail with Proximal Dynamic hole and only to carry out single proximal dynamic locking. This allow about 5mm of collapse at the fracture site on weight bearing and helps in fracture healing.

I hope you find this useful.

Rajat Varma FRCS
Indore, INDIA.